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Listen in as we discuss cyber with Mac McMillan, a 2020 Malcolm Baldrige Award winner, retired U.S. Marine, graduate of the U.S. Naval War College, former CEO and now president of CynergisTek, a Cyber security company of team members who specialize in privacy, compliance, IT Audit and cybersecurity. 

In this episode we Mac discusses areas where we need to do a better job of testing our controls and environment instead of completely trusting them to do what we think or have been told they do.